GAP 15 | Pursuit Of Truth


Humans are ever-changing. As we grow into our lives, our attitudes move and get refined through wisdom and experience. Carrying light just as much as he is standing in front of it, Jason Whitlock, American sports journalist and host of Fearless with Jason Whitlock, joins Glenn Bill in this episode to share with us his journey across his career and life that helped shape his attitude today. He talks about the people in his life and how they influenced his attitude toward the working class and his pursuit of truth. This eventually became the core of Jason’s approach to journalism, using his passion for exposing the truth and shedding light on what gets overlooked in society now. Follow him in this conversation as he shares more about being a controversial writer, dealing with haters, helping Black America, and walking with faith.

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The Pursuit Of Truth In A Changing Society With Sports Journalist, Jason Whitlock

We have somebody that’s going to share the light with us, somebody that is in the spotlight quite a bit. You will see him on Fox News quite a bit. You will see him on his podcast, Fearless with Jason Whitlock. He was a former teammate of mine at Ball State University. He was a big-time football player. We can talk about that. I saw Jeff George. GAPers, I want to introduce you and welcome Mr. Jason Whitlock to the show. What’s up? How are you?

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I’m good, Glenn. Thanks for having me.

It’s great to follow you and see where you have become. We help people. People tune into this show to find the answers on attitude, mindset, and how to get from where you are to where you want to be and who you are to who you want to become. The fact that you and I used to drive back and forth from Muncie, Indiana, almost weekly, we were two different people back then.

Talk to us a little bit about the challenge that you have been through over the years. I know you were in Kansas City reporting on the news. You have always been able to make a splash. You are fearless. You get people talking, which is important. What do you think the biggest difference is between you now and you back in the day? What about your attitude? Maybe it has changed?

I’m not sure if my attitude has changed as much as it has been refined with age, wisdom, life experience, some self-analysis, and reflection. It’s a deeper understanding of who I am and where my opinions come from. I graduated from college in 1990 and then got an opportunity to write a column for the Kansas City Star in 1994. Everything I was doing was off instinct.

It’s off of like, “This is what I think I should be doing. This is what I felt like I learned from Mike Royko.” He was a columnist for the Chicago Tribune and one of the greatest newspaper columnists of all time. I was going off of instinct and a desire to be great, whereas you get older, and it’s like, “This is why I do this. These are the seeds that were planted in me years ago that make me the way that I am.”

You talk about carrying the light. I feel like I’ve come into the light of all the seeds that my grandmother planted in me at 25th Street Baptist Church and how those values and my church upbringing informed and led my journalism career. It’s why I had such a passion for journalism. The seeking and exposing of truth was consistent with a biblical worldview even though, at that time, I wasn’t remotely thinking, “I’m operating in a biblical way,” because I wasn’t. When I was younger, I was hanging out in strip clubs, drinking, chasing, and thinking money and being wealthy would define me, whereas now, I have a much more mature perspective.

We always ask our guests, “What is your definition of attitude? Who was your first attitude coach?” You maybe already mentioned her but I would love to know what your definition of attitude is. How important are attitude and the people that you work with? Who is your first attitude coach? Who made you the way you are?

Attitude, for me, is your approach to life or your outlook on life. It’s an understanding of, “This is my purpose in life.” Early on, my attitude wasn’t very mature. It was healthy and instinctive because of the seeds that were planted in me. Once you come to understand, “This is my purpose. This is what God intends for me to do. These are the skills God gave me to execute my purpose,” that’s what informs your attitude and shapes your attitude. It’s why my show is called Fearless because my attitude is fearless.

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I wasn’t aware of this at the time but I used to repeat this to people that would ask, “Why are you doing that?” I would say, “If God is on my side, what do I have to fear?” I would say that but I didn’t understand it. That was my attitude, and that came from my grandmother, 25th Street Baptist Church. Her constantly sharing her life story, things she experienced, and how her relationship with Jesus Christ allowed her to overcome family.

My grandmother is very old. She grew up in the South. She’s passed away. My grandmother would probably be close to 100 years old. Her father was nearly lynched by the KKK in Kentucky. He avoided being lynched by the KKK, and then they moved up to Indianapolis. My grandmother always told the story about how she carried a lot of animus towards White people from her experiences in her childhood.]

Once she came to an understanding of Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior, all of that animus went away. She lived a beautiful life despite never being rich or anything like that. She was a factory worker and a worker at 25th Street Baptist Church but was very happy and content. Her life had a purpose. Her life was about spreading love. I feel like my life is about trying to spread the truth.

Is that your mother’s mother?

Yes, sir.

We often get into this where people say, “My mom and dad were my first attitude coaches.” I always like to go deeper because the lessons of our grandparents tend to be more impressive to our audience. They are like, “I love when people talk about their grandparents.” I always tell people, “You got to go back a generation to learn.” Were you fortunate enough to have a relationship with your other three grandparents or was it just your grandma?

I had a relationship with my other grandmother. My grandfather on my mother’s side died when I was 5 or 6 years old. I knew him a little bit. My grandfather on my father’s side never met my father, and he never met his father. My last name isn’t even Whitlock. I don’t know who my grandfather is on the other side. My grandmother on my father’s side was a Christian and a believer as well but I wasn’t as close to her as I was to my mother’s mother. They had two different spirits. My grandmother on my father’s side was a bit more negative, to be quite honest. I had a relationship with both my grandparents.

I will say that I do consider my grandmother, Lovey Kennedy, the strongest influence on my life. Both of my parents had an incredible influence on me. My father is about as fearless and self-reliant a person as I ever knew. My mother is incredibly humorous and bold. She’s pretty fearless as well. My sense of humor, boldness, and being in your face probably comes from my mother. The reflective side of me probably comes from my father. My father was smart. He didn’t finish high school. He may have only made it through the eighth grade but he is a very smart man.

He was a bar owner, wasn’t he?

Yes. He owned neighborhood bars on the East side of Indianapolis. One was called the Triangle Club, which was right next to West Montgomery Park in Indianapolis when I was a little kid. It was around the corner from where he owned Jimmy’s J Bar. By the time I got to college, he had bought a bar called The Masterpiece Lounge that was on 38th and Sherman Drive. It’s probably my favorite place on Earth.

Is it still in operation?

Yes. My dad has passed. I ended up selling it. It has been passed around several times since then but when my dad passed, I sold it. It’s still in operation.

What did the bar business teach you as a kid looking into that business? Did you ever work there? Did you learn any attitude lessons at that time of your life or in that business?

I never worked there. My brother did but I didn’t. My brother is a couple of years older than me. What I learned are the wisdom of working-class Americans and factory workers. They are guys and women that didn’t have a strong interest in a college education but had a strong interest in developing their kids through factory work and providing their kids the opportunity to go on to college and improve their life.

I grew up in a golden era for working-class people. Your parents could have a good union job, and you could do a lot of fun things. You are not going to be rich by any stretch but you are going to be fed. You are going to go to Kings Island. You are going to have decent clothes to wear. You are going to be surrounded by real people. The biggest impact The Masterpiece Lounge had on me is that I have an extreme distaste for elites. I like working-class people. I like Ball State graduates. I don’t like Ivy League graduates. I don’t like corporate people. I like factory workers.

What gravitates you to the attitude of the factory worker? Your grandma was a factory worker.

My mother was a factory worker. My dad started out working for Chrysler before he started his own business. All of my dad and mom’s friends were predominantly working-class people. I saw people that made a lot of sacrifices for their kids. They worked long hours and a lot of overtime to push their kids forward. I’m bothered by how much we don’t have that manufacturing base.

We don’t have a strong opportunity for working-class people to push their kids forward the way they did when I was growing up. All the jobs have gone overseas. They were like, “You got to have a college education.” I got a college education. Ball State is a great school. I don’t know if you know this but I majored in socializing at Ball State more than I did in academics. I take those working-class values and apply them to my journalism career.

GAP 15 | Pursuit Of Truth
Pursuit Of Truth: We don’t have a strong opportunity for working-class people to push their kids forward the way they did.


I never graduated.

Didn’t you?

Never. School of hard knocks.

I remember you leaving Ball State but I assumed you would’ve finished up at IUPUI.

I almost did but I started a business and became the top real estate agent in the City of Indianapolis. I was sitting in college classes looking at the professors going, “I make ten times more than you. Why am I listening? I need to go.”

Were you already doing real estate when you were at Ball State?

I was nineteen when I got my license. We started our family at a very young age so that pushed me into the real estate game after I left Ball State.

I know you started losing hair around age twenty, so you looked a lot older than most people. That’s probably how you could sell so much real estate.

That is true. Plus, I have a great attitude and a good magnanimous personality. I’m able to relate to people. Has journalism changed from when you were in Kansas City to now?

Yeah, no question. It’s changed dramatically. It’s not about the truth at all anymore. It’s clicks, social media relevance, and going viral. It’s about narrative. It’s a pursuit of narrative more than it is a pursuit of truth. If I were coming out of Ball State, no one would ever hear of Jason Whitlock. I don’t have the right attitude toward corporate media. Corporate media is intended to protect the elite, reflect the values of the elite, and make sure the elite are comfortable. It has betrayed the core principles and values that allowed me to have a great career.

Being objective, being outspoken, and speaking hard truths in the ‘90s and 2000s all of that was respected and rewarded. I got rewarded for that and got a lot of opportunities. I made a lot of good money and built a great reputation doing that. I had to leave corporate media because I still wanted to represent the non-elites and the working class. You can’t do that from inside corporate media.

Are you the founder of The Blaze Podcast Network?

No. Glenn Beck founded it and then sold it to a group of guys. The Blaze is its own entity. I’m the Founder of the Fearless podcast, and everything we do is related to Fearless. The Blaze is a host site for different podcasters like myself, Steven Crowder, Allie Beth Stuckey, and people like that.

What are you trying to do with your podcast? The pursuit of truth sounds like a big goal. The pursuit of truth is much the same as carrying the light and shedding light on the truth. How do you plan to do that? What is your podcast all about with your guests? What’s the point of it?

The point of the show is to inspire men to stand up and accept their biblical responsibility. Male leadership is under attack globally and, in particular, here in the world. I believe in the patriarchy. I believe in male leadership. I believe much of the chaos we are seeing in the world is men surrendering their responsibility to lead. The show is particularly directed at Black people to try to wake us up.

The matriarchal culture that we have is at the root of many of the problems plaguing the Black community. The violence we have in our community is because of the absence of male leadership and the dysphoria that many of our kids are going through as it relates to gender and criminality. It’s all related to a lack of male leadership in the home and communities. There is plenty of wisdom in the Bible about male leadership.

When things went chaotic in the garden, God came looking for Adam. He did not come looking for Eve. He came asking Adam questions like, “What are you doing?” That’s what we like to do on the show every day. It’s not that I’m God. I certainly talk about my sins and my failures. We got a slogan that I love to use, “Bearing witness requires courage, not perfection.” You can bear witness to God’s eternal truth without being a perfect person. Secular people try to silence biblical people with our sins, and I reject that. That’s why I talk transparently about my sins and the life I used to live, being out in LA, making a lot of money, making bad decisions, chasing the wrong kind of women, and things like that.

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Bearing witness to the truth of Jesus Christ requires courage. There’s only one perfect person. He’s not back yet. We have to wait until he gets here. The rest of us are pretty flawed. We need the courage to stand on his truth. I like to confess my sins, repent, and try to inspire other men. Don’t be ashamed. You can stand on this truth. You’ve made mistakes. Maybe you drank too much or you cheated on your wife once. Those sins of the past don’t define who you can be tomorrow and what kind of representative you can be for God’s truth tomorrow. We need to inspire each other to be that truth and to be that light.

They all say, “The last perfect man has hung on a cross.” That’s what being perfect will do for you, crucifixion. You have a middle ground. After Kansas City, you have always been considered somewhat of a controversial writer and journalist. How do you deal with that? How do you deal with the haters? If you could be president of the United States tomorrow or if somebody could hand you a wand and say, “How do we help Black America get better?” is there a policy that you could do? Is it education?

No. There’s no political solution to spiritual problems. We are in a battle globally but, in particular, in America, a battle between good versus evil. We need to recognize that and realize that all of our problems are spiritual. I’m being factual. I’m not trying to toot my horn. I’m not trying to put myself on a pedestal but I walked away from a lot of money to come to Nashville and start my own media outlet so that I could speak the truth.

I had to get out of LA. It was a den of madness, chaos, and immorality for me. I needed to relocate and reconnect on a much stronger basis with my Lord and savior. That’s the path for all of us, whether we are Black, White, green or yellow. Everything that’s going on in America is a spiritual problem. The secular are Satanists. They got drag queens sexualizing our kids at schools and libraries.

Someone is going to pay the price for allowing that. When I look at the music that I listened to when I was in college and much of my young life, it’s all satanic. It’s all denigrating Black people, culture, and women. It’s all promoted. I listen to every bit of NWA, Snoop Dogg, and Dr. Dre but to see these guys at halftime of the Super Bowl, the biggest platform we have to offer, and Snoop Dogg crip walking, “The crips got more bodies on them than the KKK could ever dream of having.”

Snoop was crip walking at halftime of the Super Bowl. We have a sick culture that needs a spiritual reawakening. That’s the only solution for Black or White people, and anything that we see in the culture that is like, “How did we get here?” Every television show is filled with sex. I can remember when I was a kid. We are the same age. Do you remember the movie Porky’s? I can remember as a kid being so excited. They had that bathroom scene where the girls were showering and looked through the peephole. My brother and I thought that was the coolest thing. We were like, “Naked women.” He saw them for six seconds.

We’ve moved to every movie having extended sexual scenes. It’s too much. We’ve lost balance. There are no Leave It to Beavers. There are no Fathers Knows Bests. There are no Cosby shows. I know people hate to bring up Bill Cosby but that was a great show. There is no Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. There’s no show within the moral value inspiring it.

I loved The Sopranos but Tony Soprano as the replacement for Andy Griffith? He is like Mr. C from Happy Days or James Evans on Good Times. Tony Soprano is a murderer, misogynist, and irresponsible person. He’s this generation’s Mr. C from Happy Days. The culture is not going in a good direction. It is way too negative and way too immoral.

GAP 15 | Pursuit Of Truth
Pursuit Of Truth: Culture is not going in a good direction. It is just way too negative and way too immoral.


That makes a good argument for Mike Pence. I heard him on CNN. I was like, “He’s doubling down on the religion,” which is great and needed. Do you have a goal in mind? You can go back to Nashville. You started your own network and podcast. You are doing great things. Do you have a goal where you can say, “I did what I came to do. I made a shift. I educated 100,000 Black kids?” Do you have anything like that that you are shooting for?

Yeah. We are going to do something in April 2023 called Roll Call. Do you remember the Promise Keepers by Bill McCartney, the football coach? We want to inspire among all races of men a new version of Promise Keepers. We are going to do our first one in April 2023. I want to touch as many men and inspire as many fallen men to stand up and stand on some truth and righteousness. We are losing this country. Freedom that we used to take for granted is being violated and discarded at a record pace. All of us have our free speech limited.

I’ve never voted. I’m not proud of that but I’ve never voted. I’m not some hyper-political partisan. To be living in a time when a former president is banned from social media apps is ridiculous. It is ridiculous that everybody thinks there are these certain people who have to be silenced or democracy is at risk. That’s fascism. My whole career has been based on speaking, writing, and saying uncomfortable truths.

I look at a guy like Bill Maher on HBO. He’s built a career on saying uncomfortable truths. He’s a left-wing guy. He’s upset about the exact same thing that I am. They are trying to cancel guys like me that like to speak the unvarnished truth. We are acting like if Whitlock or Bill Maher says that, everybody is going to commit suicide. We both grew up at the same time but sticks and stones used to break bones, and words wouldn’t harm us. We’ve got a cowardly society that’s pretending words do irrevocable damage to the human spirit. That’s not true.

GAP 15 | Pursuit Of Truth
Pursuit Of Truth: We’ve got a cowardly society that’s pretending words do irrevocable damage to the human spirit. That’s just not true.


Do you have hope that the tide will turn or the cancel culture will win?

God’s truth is going to win out eventually. It may not be here in America, though. I’ve made peace with that. I’m not hopeful but I’m not cynical either. Maybe it’s because I’m 55 and like, “Screw it.” I had a good time. If this is what these people want, that they want to live in their house, mask up, and pretend that someone saying an uncomfortable truth kills them, good luck with that for the next 55 years. It won’t look anything like how my 55 years went. My 55 years were great for the most part. I engaged with and met a lot of interesting people.

That was the thing about football. You didn’t have to like everybody on the team but you could find common ground with virtually everybody on the team over something. You could pursue a goal of winning and putting those differences aside. There is this Florida kid that was committed to the University of Florida. He had his scholarship pulled because he rapped some popular rap song that used the N-word. Florida pulled the scholarship. I’m like, “Are you kidding me?” This world here has no forgiveness or empathy.

Do you know how many incredibly dumb things I did? I’ve told a story about some of the dumb stuff I did in high school but I’m sitting here thinking about how at Ball State, my senior year in college, I beat up some kid at the chug for dancing with some girl who had promised to go home with me that night. She was dancing with a kid from her high school. It was a friend of hers from high school. I was all liquored up and beat the kid up. The next day, I sobered up, bought a new shirt, and apologized profusely. Thank God I lived back then when you could apologize, be granted forgiveness, and not be known as Whitlock is this brutal terror, branded for life, and unworthy of a second opportunity.

You’ve met a lot of interesting people. I know you’ve interviewed a lot of interesting people. I’m curious. On the Fearless podcast, were there 1 or 2 guests that hit a home run with you that made you think, asked different questions or said something that blew you away?

The best interview I ever did was I went to the White House and interviewed Trump 3 or 4 months before the election of 2020. Here was this fat kid from Indianapolis. His mother was a factory worker, and his dad didn’t graduate high school but I was at the White House interviewing the president.

How in the world did that come down?

I don’t know.

Did you call?

Trump knew that I would be somebody that would interview him fairly. He probably wanted to do some outreach to Black voters and knew that I wouldn’t come in with a bunch of gotcha questions.

Did he seek you out?

I don’t know if that’s accurate. Someone on his staff did, to be honest with you. Her name’s Mallory Blount. Either she or her boyfriend was from Kansas City and was familiar with my work. That was going to the White House and interviewing the president. There are not very many sports writers that will ever get to say they did that.

What was the prep like for that? Were you flying in like, “I’m getting ready to interview the president?” What was your mindset? What was your attitude walking in and preparing?

I will tell you a funny story more so than I will answer seriously. I put on the wrong clothes to interview him. There are some stereotypes about us Black dudes that are true. We like to dress a little flashy. I put on an outfit that made sense for The Masterpiece Lounge. It didn’t make sense for the White House. Once I put it on and got over to the White House, I realized it. I started looking around like, “I look like a clown. I look like I’m going to The Masterpiece Lounge and interviewing the president.”

I started sweating profusely. There was sweat pouring. I pitted out. I couldn’t stop the sweat out of nervousness. Luckily, there was somebody there that I worked with that went to my hotel and brought me a different suit. I changed clothes. I put on a black suit and interviewed Trump. My hair was dyed. You couldn’t even see the gray in my hair. I looked pretty good, except I was fatter back then than I am now. If you had seen me before that, I looked like a clown.

Did you have some velvet and shit on?

It was two different colors. It was maybe a red shirt, black pants, a gray jacket, and some shoes that were red or maroon. It was too much.

That’s balling. You had some Stacy Adams working, didn’t you?

No, they were LANVIN shoes. It was too much.

What was the one response that you got out of him? What set you back, and you went, “Holy crap. I can’t believe he said that or I can’t believe I asked it?” What was memorable?

The thing people remember was me giving him debate advice. I said, “Pipe down and let Joe Biden hang himself. Don’t take up all the oxygen in the room. Let Joe Biden talk. He will hang himself.” He giggled and laughed. People remember me giving him that advice.

He said, “That won’t happen.”

He did in that second debate.

Did he quiet up a little bit?


Do you think he will have any chance of getting the nomination in ‘24?

Yeah. He can get the nomination. I’m not sure if he can get elected again. I don’t know what I think about any of this. Everybody is jumping on the Ron DeSantis bandwagon, which makes me want to be cautious. When the whole establishment is starting to go, “This guy is the greatest,” it makes me go, “What are they hiding from us?” Trump has been through wars. Trump, despite being a wealthy, snotty rich kid his whole life, seems to be on the side of the working class.

His 2016 inauguration speech is one of the greatest speeches I’ve ever heard. It was about manufacturing jobs. It was talking about people like my mother, father, and all the people I grew up with on the East Side of Indianapolis, where their parents worked at Western Electric, and how we need to bring that back. It reminded me of my childhood and all the Black and White kids that I knew whose parents were factory workers and who provided a good life and a good opportunity for their kids. I’m not remotely anti-Trump. I’m not ready to bury Trump. I know that may bother some people reading this deal because Trump’s tweets mean things. Mean tweets don’t bother me.

He has been reinstated. Have you ever got to interview Elon Musk or is he on your list?

He’s on my list. I would love to interview Elon Musk. That would be a nice goal for 2023.

Who’s the most famous person besides Trump you interviewed sports-wise?

It seems like in sports. I’ve interviewed everybody but Michael Jordan, probably. I can’t think of anybody besides Michael Jordan. I’ve talked with Ali. He wasn’t that sharp at that time. I became friends with Jim Brown.

Jim Brown was the captain of the Syracuse team with my uncle.

I was friends with Jim Brown for a long time. Magic Johnson, I spent some time with him. I am friends with Charles Barkley. I knew everybody in the NFL. I haven’t interviewed Tom Brady in a real way. I used to like Tom Brady but he’s become a phony, so he is off my list.

What sports person possibly influenced you or was a lot deeper than you thought that maybe taught you something as you were engaged with these people, as you said?

It is Jim Brown, without question. Jim Brown was incredibly brutal and rude to me when I first met him. In my first year of college, I was working for the Bloomington Herald-Times. Jim Brown came to Indiana University to give a speech. I was all excited to meet Jim Brown, and he dumped on me. He was very condescending and rude. I was like, “You’ve got to meet my father. There’s nothing you can say to me that’s going to bother me. My father’s already done all that. You remind me of my father. Let it go. You can’t hurt me.” That was the first time I met him. That’s probably in ‘91 or ‘92. I can’t remember. By ‘94 or ‘95, we had become friends.

The guy is very wise. He is committed to the same cause as me, which is uplifting men. In his case, it is particularly Black men. He works with the LA gangs. He is trying to give those guys a better outlook or worldview on life. Jim Brown is someone I respect in the sports world tremendously. He is 1,000% authentic and real. He’s probably 86 or 87 years old. He has lost his fastball, but I will always love Jim Brown.

I watched Maurice Clarett in 60 for 60 on what he went through at Ohio State and how they positioned him and controlled him. It was interesting that Jim Brown was the one that tried to work with him and do great things with him. Did you ever watch that? Did you see it?

The 30 for 30? You called it a 60 for 60 but you are old. I get that. You screwed up I don’t remember that. I probably saw it but I don’t remember it. I watch a lot of things.

You got a good mainstay on the Fox News Network. It’s the most-watched network. What a platform for you. At any given time, ten million people watching that network at night? It’s up there.

I go on Tucker Carlson’s show a lot. I like Tucker. Tucker is brilliant. His monologues are brilliant. I make it a point to watch virtually all of his monologues. He is the smartest guy on TV. He’s another guy that’s shocked me. He comes from a privileged, wealthy background but he’s worked hard to be a voice for the working class. I respect that.

Having grown up the way that I did at The Masterpiece Lounge and my dad’s bars, working-class Black people don’t understand it but they are no different from MAGA White people. They all think the same thing. They all got it in common. It’s the same gripe and the same everything but the media has convinced Black people, “They are your enemies. They are the worst people on the planet.” They are not. That’s the synergy between Tucker and me. He’s speaking for MAGA Republicans, and I’m speaking for working-class Black men who may not even realize that’s who I’m speaking for but I am.

We are being emasculated. We are putting our men in dresses and promoting matriarchy. They are saying everybody’s supposed to follow behind Stacey Abrams. If you think that’s leading anywhere, give me a break. No one has the balls to say, “Look at this matriarchal culture we got. Look at the crime rate. Look at the education rate of our kids. Look at the success rate of Black boys.” That’s all on the matriarchy. You can blame it like, “It’s racism. It’s this. It’s that.”

The Bible has spoken. If you run the man up out of the house, you tear down the family. If 75% of your kids are growing up in single-parent homes, HEAs and dysfunction will follow every single time. Black men have to be woken up to that. Someone has to stand up to Black women who think they are making all these movies like The Woman King, Wakanda Forever, and Equalizer. There is Queen Latifah, at 250 pounds, 50 years old, running around and beating up men. Do you believe that shit? I’m not. Queen Latifah is not going to save me. She’s not going to jump off any balconies and beat up men. It’s not happening.

Have you ever had death threats against you? Certainly, there are some people that hate your ass.

Yeah. I’ve had it. There has probably been a couple of times where I’ve taken it seriously. For the most part, people are just running their mouths. If it’s my time, it’s my time. It’s going to happen regardless. God is not going to let me go until he is done with me.

I was talking with a gay Black guy. He said, “I’ve traveled the world. 99.9% of people are good people. We are magnifying this 0.1% and glorifying them. That’s all that they are pushing.” His whole point was that people, generally, are pretty good people.

If you follow my Twitter feed, you would think that everywhere I went, there was this chaos, tension, and animus. It’s not the case. Even I lived out in LA for ten years. That’s one of the woke capitals of the world. If you followed me around LA, people treated me tremendously. Social media creates this false reality. People used to talk about it as it relates to Chris Berman, the ESPN broadcaster. If you listen to Twitter or the blogosphere, Chris Berman is despised. I dare anybody to go anywhere with Chris Berman around sports fans. The guy gets mobbed and treated like a king. People love him but social media creates this false reality.

The same thing happens to me. I’ve had dudes tell me, “I tweeted some negative stuff at you but now that I meet you, I see that I was wrong.” It’s all phony. Social media is a stage. What do you do on the stage? You perform. It baits you into an inauthentic performance. Everybody is an actor on the stage. People need to understand that. That’s why I always say, “Judge my columns. Enjoy my tweets. This isn’t reality. This is a performance. You are performing. I’m performing. Look at what I say in writing and long-form pieces. Look at what I say on television on my real platform.” No one is paying me for Twitter. I’m starting to lose my voice.

It’s all good. We thank you for being here. I encourage all of you to follow Jason on @WhitlockJason on Twitter. Read Jason’s articles. I’m sure you can source them. He is extremely thoughtful, intelligent, and smart. He’s a force for good. I believe that he’s carrying the light. I would like you to finish the show and talk personally to our GAPers, who are our audience, as they are walking on the beach or sitting in their car. Give a message of hope from you to them, and then we will close it up.

If they are believers, God is still in control despite how chaotic things look. Even if things get rough, they are getting rough for a reason. There’s a cleansing process that’s going to have to go on. Some of us may have to ante up. We take this freedom and this country for granted. We don’t respect the people that made incredible sacrifices for all of us to live these great, privileged lives that we do here in America.

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Everybody in the world is beating down their doors to get into America for a reason. Our ancestors made incredible sacrifices and pushed this country forward. It may be time for some of us to ante up again. I’m trying to inspire men. Even with my old, fat butt, I’m willing to sacrifice. I’m willing to make the same sacrifices that Lincoln, Martin Luther King, JFK, Civil War veterans, and World War II veterans made. This is God’s country. I want to be a servant of God.

Does that mean you will run for office?


You will not make that sacrifice. Jason, thank you so much. I’m with the one and only Jason Whitlock. We are signing off. We will see you soon.

Thank you.


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